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		<title>By: Charles Coulombe</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewcusack.com/2007/03/03/the-men-who-saved-quebec/comment-page-1/#comment-1285</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Coulombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One also should remember that, prior to becoming a Bishop, Fr. Carroll stood foursquare for a vernacular liturgy, elected bishops, and reducing the role of the Pope to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury (and removing American Catholicism from curial supervision). Not one of my favourite characters --- perhaps because, save for elected bishops, I have lived through his vision.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One also should remember that, prior to becoming a Bishop, Fr. Carroll stood foursquare for a vernacular liturgy, elected bishops, and reducing the role of the Pope to that of the Archbishop of Canterbury (and removing American Catholicism from curial supervision). Not one of my favourite characters &#8212; perhaps because, save for elected bishops, I have lived through his vision.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cusack</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewcusack.com/2007/03/03/the-men-who-saved-quebec/comment-page-1/#comment-1284</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Cusack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;P.S. Thomas Jefferson was asked to encourage the French hierarchy to get an American bishop ordained and John Carroll was evnetually the first, though I doubt I need remind your readers of that last factoid.&lt;/i&gt;

Indeed, and we are all the poorer for the Pope allowing Carroll to be ordained. Very dodgy figure.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>P.S. Thomas Jefferson was asked to encourage the French hierarchy to get an American bishop ordained and John Carroll was evnetually the first, though I doubt I need remind your readers of that last factoid.</i></p>
<p>Indeed, and we are all the poorer for the Pope allowing Carroll to be ordained. Very dodgy figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McM</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am quite leery of the thesis of this Benjamin Franklin trek in 1776. The opening pages of Richard Ketchum&#039;s
&quot;Saratoga&quot; begins with this tale. Old Franklin was accompanied by two cousins, Charles Carroll of Carrolton and John Carroll, S. J. Both Carrols were educated in France at St. Omer, albeit an English-speaking school established after the English &quot;reformation.&quot; These two Marylanders accompanied Franklin because they were Catholic and spoke French.

John Carroll returned with Franklin to help out the old man, while Charles Carroll stayed for many months and took charge of some things on the US side of the St. Lawrence River.

They were trying to get the Canadians to join with the U.S. and figured those French Canadians were &quot;natural allies.&quot;

P.S. Thomas Jefferson was asked to encourage the French hierarchy to get an American bishop ordained and John Carroll was evnetually the first, though I doubt I need remind your readers of that last factoid.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am quite leery of the thesis of this Benjamin Franklin trek in 1776. The opening pages of Richard Ketchum&#8217;s<br />
&#8220;Saratoga&#8221; begins with this tale. Old Franklin was accompanied by two cousins, Charles Carroll of Carrolton and John Carroll, S. J. Both Carrols were educated in France at St. Omer, albeit an English-speaking school established after the English &#8220;reformation.&#8221; These two Marylanders accompanied Franklin because they were Catholic and spoke French.</p>
<p>John Carroll returned with Franklin to help out the old man, while Charles Carroll stayed for many months and took charge of some things on the US side of the St. Lawrence River.</p>
<p>They were trying to get the Canadians to join with the U.S. and figured those French Canadians were &#8220;natural allies.&#8221;</p>
<p>P.S. Thomas Jefferson was asked to encourage the French hierarchy to get an American bishop ordained and John Carroll was evnetually the first, though I doubt I need remind your readers of that last factoid.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacobite</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacobite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Cusack, you may find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,2025637,00.html?gusrc=rss&amp;feed=12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; story interesting.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Cusack, you may find <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,2025637,00.html?gusrc=rss&#038;feed=12" rel="nofollow">this</a> story interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Coulombe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Coulombe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:10:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Andrew:

As a beneficiary of the Quebec Act (it gave my ancestors their &quot;freedom, religion, and laws,&quot; in the memorable words of &quot;The Old Orange Flute&quot;) I am VERY happy to see this article on your site. I can add a little to it, in fact. One is that Jefferson denounced the Act in Orwellian terms in his declaration of independence, when he attacls the King for &quot;suspending the free system of English laws in a neighbouring province.&quot; These were, of course, the Penal Laws.

Moreover, Franklin was accompanied on his ill-fated mission to Quebec by Fr. John Carroll. It was Fr. Carroll&#039;s refusal to attempt to convert Franklin on the road that led BF to recommend him to Pius VI as the best candidate for the first Bishop of the new country after the Revolution. In any case, Bishop Briand of Quebec, who had published the letter of the Continental Congress to the people of England attacking the French in Canada, declared that none of his priests were to receive the visitors from the south. The one who did was suspended. Bishop Briand is up for beatification, incidentally.

All of this history is the reason why --- until the Revolution Tranquille deprived the French Canadians of their Faith, their mores and traditions, and their loyalty, (as als their birth-rate), they were mostly Monarchist. The foolish &quot;nationalists&quot; whom the author cites were precisely the folk who pushed for abortion and birth control. They got it --- and French Canada is doomed, demographically speaking. Our author rightly says &quot;It is no exaggeration to assert that, had it not been for this one Anglo-Irish aristocrat, Quebec would likely have become anglicized and, subsequently, integrated into the American empire.&quot; Luckily, the so-called nationalists have assured that is what indeed must happen one day, unless the Quebecois regain their religion and their ability to breed.



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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Andrew:</p>
<p>As a beneficiary of the Quebec Act (it gave my ancestors their &#8220;freedom, religion, and laws,&#8221; in the memorable words of &#8220;The Old Orange Flute&#8221;) I am VERY happy to see this article on your site. I can add a little to it, in fact. One is that Jefferson denounced the Act in Orwellian terms in his declaration of independence, when he attacls the King for &#8220;suspending the free system of English laws in a neighbouring province.&#8221; These were, of course, the Penal Laws.</p>
<p>Moreover, Franklin was accompanied on his ill-fated mission to Quebec by Fr. John Carroll. It was Fr. Carroll&#8217;s refusal to attempt to convert Franklin on the road that led BF to recommend him to Pius VI as the best candidate for the first Bishop of the new country after the Revolution. In any case, Bishop Briand of Quebec, who had published the letter of the Continental Congress to the people of England attacking the French in Canada, declared that none of his priests were to receive the visitors from the south. The one who did was suspended. Bishop Briand is up for beatification, incidentally.</p>
<p>All of this history is the reason why &#8212; until the Revolution Tranquille deprived the French Canadians of their Faith, their mores and traditions, and their loyalty, (as als their birth-rate), they were mostly Monarchist. The foolish &#8220;nationalists&#8221; whom the author cites were precisely the folk who pushed for abortion and birth control. They got it &#8212; and French Canada is doomed, demographically speaking. Our author rightly says &#8220;It is no exaggeration to assert that, had it not been for this one Anglo-Irish aristocrat, Quebec would likely have become anglicized and, subsequently, integrated into the American empire.&#8221; Luckily, the so-called nationalists have assured that is what indeed must happen one day, unless the Quebecois regain their religion and their ability to breed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much, Mr Cusack, for presenting Professor Lawson.

He and his work deserve to be remembered.

This fall I&#039;ll have the great privilege of working with one of Lawson&#039;s students from the University of Alberta, Dr Connors, on my own Master&#039;s research at Ottawa.

My look at the effects of the Quebec Act on Catholic Relief in Great Britain itself will draw, heavily I&#039;m sure, on Professor Lawson&#039;s own notes, left incomplete by his untimely death.

I won&#039;t shake conventional historiographical orthodoxy, but I do hope to do my small bit in rehabilitating and sharing Lawson&#039;s ideas: an effort you&#039;ve aided greatly here.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much, Mr Cusack, for presenting Professor Lawson.</p>
<p>He and his work deserve to be remembered.</p>
<p>This fall I&#8217;ll have the great privilege of working with one of Lawson&#8217;s students from the University of Alberta, Dr Connors, on my own Master&#8217;s research at Ottawa.</p>
<p>My look at the effects of the Quebec Act on Catholic Relief in Great Britain itself will draw, heavily I&#8217;m sure, on Professor Lawson&#8217;s own notes, left incomplete by his untimely death.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t shake conventional historiographical orthodoxy, but I do hope to do my small bit in rehabilitating and sharing Lawson&#8217;s ideas: an effort you&#8217;ve aided greatly here.</p>
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		<title>By: Old Dominion Tory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Old Dominion Tory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I recall, during the drive for Confederation, many French Quebecois marched under a banner (literally) that rallied their support to the Catholic Church and the British Constitution.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, during the drive for Confederation, many French Quebecois marched under a banner (literally) that rallied their support to the Catholic Church and the British Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Cusack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cusack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as I have been able to tell, the term &#039;revisionist&#039; merely means a historical discovery with which one disagrees.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as I have been able to tell, the term &#8216;revisionist&#8217; merely means a historical discovery with which one disagrees.</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW - don&#039;t lose heart! Historical theories that go against an accepted &quot;orthodoxy&quot; (&lt;i&gt;especially&lt;/i&gt; the &quot;Whig&quot; theory of history) take a while to take root. But if they are any good, root they will. Look at Eamon Duffy and other Tudor &quot;revisionists&quot;. As my husband says, &quot;there are times when &#039;revisionism&#039; is a good thing.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW &#8211; don&#8217;t lose heart! Historical theories that go against an accepted &#8220;orthodoxy&#8221; (<i>especially</i> the &#8220;Whig&#8221; theory of history) take a while to take root. But if they are any good, root they will. Look at Eamon Duffy and other Tudor &#8220;revisionists&#8221;. As my husband says, &#8220;there are times when &#8216;revisionism&#8217; is a good thing.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Meg Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meg Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just checked &lt;a href=&quot;http://mqup.mcgill.ca/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://mqup.mcgill.ca/&lt;/a&gt; , and they do still seem to offer this book (in paper), FYI. C$29.95, US 27.95, £12.95 (finally, a break for Canadians!!!).
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just checked <a href="http://mqup.mcgill.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://mqup.mcgill.ca/</a> , and they do still seem to offer this book (in paper), FYI. C$29.95, US 27.95, £12.95 (finally, a break for Canadians!!!).</p>
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