Comments on: Interesting Juxtaposition

By: Otto

Otto — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 00:17:28 +0000

Mesmerism.
Bonding with the masses.
Basic Crowd Control.
I want to see comparative photos of the buffet at the after-party.

By: Frederick J. Hass

Frederick J. Hass — Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:59:20 +0000

Re the “orans” posture :
There is no mention of it in the GIRM but there is an instruction that the posture of those attending mass be uniform.
The Deacon at mass is not allowed to assume the orans posture.
Historically the posture has been strictly a sacerdotal privilege.
It is my judgment that for the laity to assume this posture is a pharisaic ostentation. But, then, in charity, onw e shoyuldn’t be judgmental. Should one?

By: Michelle Marie Romani

Michelle Marie Romani — Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:18:45 +0000

The scary thing is that the USCCB is meeting in LA in June (in about six days) and one of the hotbutton topics is going to be the ICEL translation of the Roman Missal. Let us all pray that perhaps Mahoney will soon be replaced. I always thought California was weird. I never realized how absurd the situation was until I saw the picture. My only consolation is that Pope Benedict will soon release his Post-Synodal document on the liturgy.

By the way, for those of you who are offended with the juxtaposition, remember, the abuses that are occuring in our liturgy are truly heinous. Even Benedict, himself, in his book, the Spirit of the Liturgy, laments that we are only celebrating ourselves when we start tinkering around with the Mass. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is about rendering perfect worship to the Father, through the Son with the Holy Spirit. It is not about celebrating ourselves. Furthermore, neither the Paul VI missal nor the 3rd edition of the Roman Missal make any reference to the laity imposing their hands. This novelty is a misdirected one, as is the hand-holding that the charismatics introduced when reciting the Pater Noster. Furthermore, Benedict has told the Ecclesial movements (charismatics and neocatechumens alike) that they must adhere to the Successor of St. Peter, no ifs ands or buts.

By: Adoro Te Devote

Adoro Te Devote — Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:56:21 +0000

I just have to respond to the vocations issue: I live in the Mpls.-St. Paul archdiocese, and while St. Agnes forms many young men and women, our overall number of ordinations last spring was 16…and not all of them were from St. Agnes. Our number was second only to Chicago, and geography-wise, our city is dwarfed by Chicago.

As far as the photos go, how ’bout some context? Was this actually during the consecration (it doesn’t appear to be), or was it only a blessing? If this posture happens during the consecration, it is to be condemned as the laity do not have the authority to concelebrate.

If it’s a blessing, I just shrug and move on.

There are bigger fish to fry in the world of liturgical abuse.

By: No-one

No-one — Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:21:22 +0000

Highly amusing, but I think anyone looking for something profound in the juxtaposition is a fathead.

By: RL

RL — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:35:54 +0000

Anthony,
There were a handful of young men (100) who stood up. It was a bit dark in there, so it was hard to tell. I’m actually not from LA but am aware of their vocation’s situation. Someone had told me that the cardinal had asked for prayers for vocations from Nov. 2005 to Nov. 2006. Let’s join them in prayer!

By: Cathy Ward

Cathy Ward — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 04:03:48 +0000

Sorry!
Didn’t mean to bore you.
It won’t happen again.

By: Andrew Cusack

Andrew Cusack — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:53:05 +0000

Must I play host to this disputation? I warmly invite all those involved in such discussions to continue them in private correspondence with one another.

Personally, I find it all rather tedious.

By: Anthony

Anthony — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 18:29:04 +0000

Cathy,
Perhaps it’s time to buy back all, (or at least some), of those monasteries and convents we sold off to other religious denominations back in the late sixties and early seventies.

By: Cathy Ward

Cathy Ward — Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:50:47 +0000

This is not intended as a slam on LA, (I have a very kind friend from that Archdiocese) but in answer to your question:
I recall that last year, LA ordained 5 men, 3 of whom were not wearing a Roman collar in their press release photo!
The Archdiocese of Chicago ordained 19 men last year, if I recall correctly. Granted, the A of C is huge, but not nearly the size of the A of LA, the largest in the nation.
My parish has ordained three men in the last two years to the SSJC, housed there. (These are not diocesan priests, so their numbers are in addition to the 19 others.)
We have 4 in seminary. Looks like 4 more will be entering next fall.
19 men are in formation.
I have also visited the website of the orthodox St. Agnes in MN. They have several young men from the parish in seminary.
The Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist, which is a newly formed order, cannot keep up with the scores of young women wanting to become nuns. (And wear habits. And attend Adoration. And serve the Lord.)
There are now officially two ‘vocations crises’, in my opinion. Places like LA are barren, and places like SSJC, FSSP, ICK, and Mary Mother of the Eucharist are having trouble figuring out where to put all of their young postulants and novices.
If only I’d hit the lottery.
:)